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“My Interest Is in Clearing My Name”: Amber Heard’s Cross-Examination Covers Abuse Allegations, ACLU Pledge, and Elon Musk

Over two days, Johnny Depp’s attorney Camille Vasquez and Heard volleyed back and forth intensely.
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Camille Vasquez, one of Johnny Depp’s lawyers, began cross-examination of Amber Heard on Monday. The attorney tried to whittle away Heard’s credibility over a number of points, especially Heard’s pledge to donate the $7 million divorce settlement to charity and her various allegations of abuse by Depp. By the time of this trial, Heard had only managed to donate a portion of the settlement, maintaining it was always her intention to complete her contribution but that she couldn’t because Depp sued her for $50 million.

Vasquez also walked Heard through instances of alleged violence for which Heard’s team provided photographic evidence of injury. To counter those claims, Vasquez showed the jury a series of public photos as well as an appearance on a late-night show. In them, there was no obvious evidence of bruising or split skin (Heard previously said she was able to cover any injuries with makeup). Vasquez questioned her for not seeking medical treatment after alleged abuse, including after being sexually assaulted with a bottle.

On Monday, Vasquez started off with a provocation, saying to Heard, “Mr. Depp hasn’t looked at you once this entire trial, has he?”

“Not that I’ve noticed, no,” Heard replied.

“You’ve looked at him though many times, haven’t you?” Vasquez said.

“Yes I have,” Heard said.

“You know exactly why Mr. Depp won’t look back at you, don’t you?” Vasquez asked. “He promised you would never see his eyes again, isn’t that true?” she added, with the follow-up, “He kept that promise, hasn’t he?”

“As far as I know, he cannot look at me,” Heard said.

“He won’t look at you, right Ms. Heard?” Vasquez said.

“He can’t,” Heard said.

The clipped back-and-forth between counsel and witness mirrors Depp’s own confrontation in cross-examination, when he answered Ben Rottenborn’s questions. The Pirates of the Caribbean actor and Heard often push back against their respective examiners, trying to get more of a word in than “yes” or “no,” which is typically asked of those on the stand. 

At one point the conversation turned to their $7 million divorce settlement. In 2016, Heard released a statement saying she planned to donate the settlement to two charities, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Children’s Hospital Los Angeles. But in a pretaped deposition heard in court last month, Terence Dougherty, chief operating officer and general counsel of the ACLU, explained that Heard has donated less than half the amount she pledged—that is, $1.3 million of the $3.5 million total. The organization reached out and learned she was having financial difficulties, Dougherty said.

Heard and Vasquez volleyed over this set of events: 

“You wanted Mr. Depp’s money,” Vasquez said.

“Didn’t get it, wasn’t interested in it,” Heard said. “I loved Johnny, that’s why I was with him.”

Vazquez returned, “You wanted praise for donating the money, right?”

“That’s incorrect,” Heard said. 

“You wanted good press,” Vasquez said. 

“In general, one does want good press, yes,” Heard said. 

“You wanted to seem altruistic, publicly,” Vasquez said. 

“It wasn’t my interest,” Heard said. “My interest is in my name, clearing my name and at the time I was called a liar and my motives were being questioned. I did see it as important to clear that up. I wanted to make a statement to make sure that there was not any doubt that I couldn’t be labeled these things just because Johnny was a bigger star and had more publicity reach.”

“You wanted to remind everyone of your claims of domestic violence against Mr. Depp,” Vazquez said. 

“No, I wanted to move on with my life,” Heard said. 

“You wanted to make those claims seem believable,” Vasquez said. 

“They are believable,” Heard said. 

“You wanted to be seen as a noble victim of domestic violence,” Vazquez said

“I have never, never wanted to be seen as a victim,” Heard said forcefully. “Nor have I ever called myself one.”

Heard reiterated that she still planned to donate the full amount, but could not because she was sued, when Elon Musk’s name came up. Musk was her boyfriend briefly after her relationship with Depp ended. She conceded he made a payment in her name, totaling $500,000, but that the contribution from Twitter’s would-be owner did “not count towards my pledge.”

She explained that she met Musk at the 2016 Met Gala weeks before filing for divorce. “I didn’t recognize [Musk] until we started talking [at the gala] and he reminded me we had met once before,” she said. Heard was at the gala without Depp after the marriage-ending fight on her 30th birthday dinner in April 2016.

“I sat next to an empty place setting for Johnny that they cleared as soon as we realized he effectively stood me up on the red carpet,” Heard said.

Heard said Musk, on the other hand, “seemed like a real gentleman” and that “he was really nice. He sat at a nearby table and we got to speaking that night and eventually became friends.”

Like Monday, the second day of cross on Tuesday also started memorably. Vasquez brought out a hunting knife that Heard gave Depp in 2012, after at least one incident of alleged abuse, and asked why a woman whose partner had already hit her would give her partner a large knife. “I didn’t think he was going to stab me,” Heard said. 

In one extended audio recording, Heard calls Depp a “sellout,” “washed-up piece of shit,” and mocked his role in 21 Jump Street, the show that launched his career. Heard said she called him “horrible, ugly things,” but that they spoke “badly” to each other. This was a conversation about their careers, and Depp refers to Aquaman, Heard’s biggest role to date, on the tape. In previous testimony, she said that various roles would upset Depp, especially if there was sexual content in it. And Heard said she lost work after Depp’s legal team allegedly began an online campaign of abuse against her. 

“Mr. Depp got you that role in Aquaman, didn’t he?” Vasquez said.

“No, Ms. Vasquez, I got that role by auditioning,” Heard responded.

Heard also said that her role in Aquaman 2 was cut down after the online abuse. “I was given a script and then given new versions of the script that had taken away scenes that had action in it,” she said. “They basically took a bunch out of my role.” Film YouTuber Grace Randolph reported on Twitter that Heard has “less than 10 min of screentime” in the sequel, which is scheduled to premiere next year.

Vasquez finished up by accusing Heard of calling the paparazzi on herself as she left the court after filing for a temporary restraining order, which Heard denied.

A source close to Heard has given the statement, “Depp’s legal team did a great disservice to all women this morning. They showed women exactly what could happen to them in court if they speak up about abuse at home.”