Between Two Ferns

After Hosting Hillary Clinton on Between Two Ferns, Zach Galifianakis Can Attest, “She’s Cool”

Those months of overtime “please like me” work have finally paid off.
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We’re still hours away from the presidential debate, but Hillary Clinton is probably already feeling pretty good right now. Why? Because over the weekend, she finally got it: that one-word endorsement she’s been seeking for months, possibly years. Over the weekend, following her record-shattering appearance on Between Two Ferns, Clinton’s host, Zach Galifianakis, called her “cool.”

“I’m nervous in those situations because, you know, you don’t know them on a personal level,” Galifianakis told the Los Angeles Times. “But I will say she’s very personable in real life. She really is. There was a laugh or two from her—a really big laugh—that we had to edit out because it wasn’t icy enough for us in a weird way for what we were doing. . . I walked away from that whole interview going, “She’s cool.”

As the L.A. Times notes, Clinton’s appearance was a record setter not just for Between Two Ferns, but for Funny or Die as a whole. The clip racked up the highest first-day viewership in the site’s history: only four days after the video hit YouTube, it’s currently at over 9 million views. (Since it aired two years ago, Barack Obama’s appearance on the intentionally tense talk show has reached almost 18 million views.) If Obama paved the way for politicians to goof around on the Internet for a worthy cause, it seems Clinton is more than game to follow in his footsteps.

Clinton has long been made fun of for her perceived stiffness, and a large part of the narrative surrounding her campaign—especially when it comes to those coveted millennial voters—has been the question of “coolness.” Twice now, Clinton has found herself up against male candidates lauded for their authenticity—first Obama, and then Bernie Sanders. Both times, she’s been rendered in contrast to those opponents, and criticized for her relative coldness. These critiques often ignore the truth of Clinton’s history as a political figure—that she was once a fearlessly outspoken wonk who allowed constituents to see her authentic self. And people liked her for it—until they didn’t.

Now, here we are: Clinton has attempted multiple popular dances, appeared on shows including Broad City and S.N.L., and traded jokes with late-night hosts including Seth Meyers, Jimmy Fallon, Stephen Colbert, and Jimmy Kimmel. Galifianakis might not be the sole arbiter of “cool,” but he’s as good a judge as anyone—do you get to regularly insult celebrities on your own Web series? Besides, Clinton has also gotten nods from other Cool Kids: Ilana Glazer digitally fist-bumped Clinton after her appearance on Broad City, while Kate McKinnon called her a “dreamboat” on The Tonight Show. Still, Galifianakis’s endorsement, using the word “cool” specifically, has got to be at least a little gratifying for a candidate who’s had to try way too hard to prove something about herself that’s rarely asked of any male politician.

It’s worth wondering whether it should really matter in the first place whether a candidate—male or female—is cool, but evidently it matters enough to Clinton’s campaign that she’s made months’ worth of overtures to earn the moniker. Ever since Bill Clinton played the sax on Arsenio, “coolness” has been an aspirational horizon for politicians in their casual TV appearances. Which candidate voters would rather get a beer with has actually become a meaningful metric. In that context, Galifianakis’s appraisal—and the success of Clinton’s appearance as a whole—is a meaningful chapter in her story.

And, for those wondering whether we can expect a follow-up Between Two Ferns installment with Donald Trump, Galifianakis was pretty clear:

“No. That doesn’t interest me. Doing it the other way doesn’t interest me. He’s the kind of guy who likes attention—bad attention or good attention. So you’re dealing with a psychosis there that’s a little weird. I wouldn’t have somebody on that’s so mentally challenged. I feel like I’d be taking advantage of him. And you can print that.”